November 14, 2005

When Good Poems are Bad Poems

 


“On the other hand, there’s also plenty to be annoyed about. The most obvious problem with ”Good Poems for Hard Times“ is that it proposes that ”the meaning of poetry is to give courage.“ That is not the meaning of poetry; that is the meaning of Scotch. The meaning of poetry is poetry. But a more subtle and intractable difficulty is that Keillor’s taste isn’t just limited, it’s limited within its limitations. He likes plainspoken writing that is long on sentiment, short on surface complication – a defensible aesthetic, if one that occasionally condescends to its subject matter and audience. But rather than emphasizing the strongest writers in this mode (James Wright and Sterling Brown, for instance), Keillor favors soggy tough guys like Raymond Carver and Charles Bukowski, as well as a host of small-scale epiphany manufacturers, almost all of whom appear to be, as they say, white. (”Lake Wobegon, where all the children are above average, and all the colored people are in somebody else’s anthology.“) ”


David Orr on Garrison Keillor’s Good Poems for Hard Times, in the NY Times (On Poetry: Hit Parade, November 13, 2005).


This is Orr’s take on Keilor’s book, but the article as a whole is about Poetry Magazine’s dueling reviews of the book in its April 2004 issue. Not sure why the Times is covering this so long after the fact and particularly since Orr doesn’t add much of anything. The two arguments were Dana Gioia on the side of populist poetry or perhaps the survival of poetry (in the public at large’s consciousness) at any cost and August Kleinzahler’s argument essentially that if it ain’t good it’s not worth saving (covered way back when at Tingle Alley).


Of course, the idea of good poetry here is something like the opposite of bad poetry, which makes Kleinzahler’s argument a little empty: he’s arguing against something instead of for something and what he’s arguing against has every right to exist – that is, the best argument against bad poetry is writing good poetry. Orr captures that: “This isn’t real confrontation; it’s Narcissus chewing out his own reflection.”


One thing Orr touches on that should have more significance on the populist side of the coin is the race issue. This from Rita Dove, who wrote in [to Poetry magazine] after the reviews appeared:


For those readers who might have missed it (as both of Poetry’s esteemed gentleman reviewers, Dana Gioia and August Kleinzahler, did), let me point out that in Keillor’s entire book, all two hundred and ninety-four poems of it, I could find only three Black poets—all of them dead, no less, and the one woman actually a blues singer. Now, I may be missing someone—poems can be blessedly color-blind—but by any standard, this is an abysmal percentage. (Nor is there a Hispanic or Asian-American or Native American presence to speak of.) In his foreword, Keillor claims to have merely collected poems America—real America, good America!— wants to read; one can only conclude that his America never reads work by living African-American poets. There’s no Lucille Clifton. No Marilyn Nelson. No Elizabeth Alexander or Sonia Sanchez, not even Gwendolyn Brooks!


What’s irritating is that there are issues at stake, as Dove points out, but the rest of this is just [entertaining] bullshit. That’s why Orr has no more of a conclusion than to hope that when the title of the book is “Good Poems” that they really are. Kleinzahler should save his words for his poetry because what his argument presupposes in some way that doggerel poetry crowds out serious poetry. Serious poetry will continue to play a marginal role with society at large and always exist for the “happy few,” to use Stendhal’s words, bad poetry will always proliferate as long as people care to write it. We wouldn’t know the good if it weren’t for the bad. So it almost seems to obvious too talk about; as Orr says,


So which way do we turn? Do we agree with Kleinzahler that art is meant to be an entertainment for the select few by the select few? Or do we sign on with Keillor, and embrace poetry as a means of creating a common life, even if we lose a few highbrow writers along the way? The truth is, it was never a real choice to begin with…


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I skimmed the book at my local bookstore and was sufficiently impressed with it to order it from amazon.com.

I think the reviews you posted are beside the point. The book is meant for poets much less for scholars. It is meant for the general public.

 

There are enough PC poetry anthologies out there that people who are so disposed can order those books.

 

Besides, I am always suspicious of people especially non-African Americans who bring up the argument of race. Most of the time those caveats hide some other more fundamental reason for their disapproval.

    – scribe (11/14 05:35 PM)



But can’t the “general public” enjoy Lucille Clifton or Gwendolyn Brooks?

We shouldn’t read poetry by African Americans (or by any other “PC” designator) just because it’s by that group—we should read it because it’s *poetry*.

 

I would go so far as to hint that a lack of inclusion might very well indicate a lack of familiarity.

    – amcorrea (11/15 10:06 PM)



As a member of the general public, I agree. I would never suggest poems be selected on the race of the poet (one race, the human race!), but I think what his critics are saying is that his selection is parochial and not truly representative of his stated audience. But, the fact is, he probably knows his audience. GK is a folksy intellectual disney marketer.

    – Bud Parr (11/15 11:42 PM)



“But can’t the “general public” enjoy Lucille Clifton or Gwendolyn Brooks?”

Of course, but it’s not as if this anthology is the only one available to the public. We are not after all living in a totalitarian state with a single government controlled publishing house.

 

Personally, I am not familiar with Lucille Clifton, but I most   anthologies I have seen include selections by Gwendolyn Brooks.

 

My point is that a personal anthology shouldn’t be judged by what is omitted but by the quality of the poetry included.

    – scribe (11/17 05:08 AM)


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Hi Bud,

This is so bittersweet to read. I wish U of Penn more than luck in tackling the collection and making an exhibit for the books. I can’t wait to see the store again. I used to work at Gotham (all too) briefly, from the summer of 2001 to the fall of 2002 when I was 19 and in school for illustration. The building, the books, and especially the people (I had amazing co-workers, plus some really lovely customers) have a special place in my heart. I’m was hoping the link would mention Andreas (Andy) Brown, the last owner of GBM, but no such luck.

I was going to venture a guess that if the old man you met at the store was a GBM employee it might have been Phillip Lyman, but my understanding was Mr. Lyman was notoriously well-read (and had substantial library himself) so I suppose he would not have been reading Dante for the first time when you met him. More likely it was one of our splendid customers. It happened more than once that one customer on the floor would ask me about an author or title and I would meet them with my perfectly hopeless stare ‘n stammer—until another customer that had overheard the plea would effortlessly proffer the desired answer or suggestion. I learned so much working there, from everyone, but was a pretty useless specimen while the learning percolated. One of the more useful employees (our resident poetry expert) recently got a shout-out over at the New Yorker’s book blog after being made famous at the splendiferous Kwik Meal #1 cart:

New Yorker Link

One more book nerdy bit before I cut off the nostalgia trip. The above-mentioned Marc was the first person to Invisible Cities by Italo Calvino in my hands; I read it up in the 2nd floor gallery on my lunch breaks (lunch from Kwik Meal #1, of course), surrounded by art books and Edward Gorey paraphernalia. That book took (and takes, I’ve re-read it many times) me so many places, but when I’m lucky it takes me back to Gotham’s gallery, by the 2nd floor window where the constant refrain of the gold and diamond sellers coming in through the window mingled with the dulcet tones of NPR from a radio bigger than a microwave and the smell of old paper—all unchanged almost more than a decade later. At least in my mind. It’s still one of my favorite books (and authors), ever. Marc also blessed me with recommendations of Wallace Stevens’ Palm At The End of the Mind, Moby Dick with the Rockwell Kent illustrations, and my first ever NYC apartment: a little studio over in Astoria, Queens. Everyone at that store was overflowing and generous with knowledge, stories and history.

Places like Gotham do more than provide fodder for sentimental blog comment drivel though; I hope the lessons learned from the ongoing troubles are shaping a new generation of booksellers and customers that can find ways to thrive. Bookstores don’t belong in museums. Wise men fish there.

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Best wishes for the holidays, Bud.

I used to work in the Pan Am/Met Life Building in Manhattan.  I would walk over to Gotham at lunch and browse, browse, browse.  Books were the only thing I ever bought on that stree.  It’s a shame it’s gone.  Thanks for the update for those of us no longer living in NYC.  Atlanta is not so much a book haven.

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Jim H.

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Yeah, for all of our technology - which is great - I mean you and I are talking about this from two ends of the country - but there’s nothing like being there.

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